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SubjectRe: [RFC PATCH v2 00/19] RDMA/FS DAX truncate proposal V1,000,002 ;-)
On Fri, Aug 23, 2019 at 10:15:04AM -0700, Ira Weiny wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 23, 2019 at 10:59:14AM +1000, Dave Chinner wrote:
> > On Wed, Aug 21, 2019 at 11:02:00AM -0700, Ira Weiny wrote:
> > > On Tue, Aug 20, 2019 at 08:55:15AM -0300, Jason Gunthorpe wrote:
> > > > On Tue, Aug 20, 2019 at 11:12:10AM +1000, Dave Chinner wrote:
> > > > > On Mon, Aug 19, 2019 at 09:38:41AM -0300, Jason Gunthorpe wrote:
> > > > > > On Mon, Aug 19, 2019 at 07:24:09PM +1000, Dave Chinner wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > So that leaves just the normal close() syscall exit case, where the
> > > > > > > application has full control of the order in which resources are
> > > > > > > released. We've already established that we can block in this
> > > > > > > context. Blocking in an interruptible state will allow fatal signal
> > > > > > > delivery to wake us, and then we fall into the
> > > > > > > fatal_signal_pending() case if we get a SIGKILL while blocking.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The major problem with RDMA is that it doesn't always wait on close() for the
> > > > > > MR holding the page pins to be destoyed. This is done to avoid a
> > > > > > deadlock of the form:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > uverbs_destroy_ufile_hw()
> > > > > > mutex_lock()
> > > > > > [..]
> > > > > > mmput()
> > > > > > exit_mmap()
> > > > > > remove_vma()
> > > > > > fput();
> > > > > > file_operations->release()
> > > > >
> > > > > I think this is wrong, and I'm pretty sure it's an example of why
> > > > > the final __fput() call is moved out of line.
> > > >
> > > > Yes, I think so too, all I can say is this *used* to happen, as we
> > > > have special code avoiding it, which is the code that is messing up
> > > > Ira's lifetime model.
> > > >
> > > > Ira, you could try unraveling the special locking, that solves your
> > > > lifetime issues?
> > >
> > > Yes I will try to prove this out... But I'm still not sure this fully solves
> > > the problem.
> > >
> > > This only ensures that the process which has the RDMA context (RDMA FD) is safe
> > > with regard to hanging the close for the "data file FD" (the file which has
> > > pinned pages) in that _same_ process. But what about the scenario.
> > >
> > > Process A has the RDMA context FD and data file FD (with lease) open.
> > >
> > > Process A uses SCM_RIGHTS to pass the RDMA context FD to Process B.
> >
> > Passing the RDMA context dependent on a file layout lease to another
> > process that doesn't have a file layout lease or a reference to the
> > original lease should be considered a violation of the layout lease.
> > Process B does not have an active layout lease, and so by the rules
> > of layout leases, it is not allowed to pin the layout of the file.
> >
>
> I don't disagree with the semantics of this. I just don't know how to enforce
> it.
>
> > > Process A attempts to exit (hangs because data file FD is pinned).
> > >
> > > Admin kills process A. kill works because we have allowed for it...
> > >
> > > Process B _still_ has the RDMA context FD open _and_ therefore still holds the
> > > file pins.
> > >
> > > Truncation still fails.
> > >
> > > Admin does not know which process is holding the pin.
> > >
> > > What am I missing?
> >
> > Application does not hold the correct file layout lease references.
> > Passing the fd via SCM_RIGHTS to a process without a layout lease
> > is equivalent to not using layout leases in the first place.
>
> Ok, So If I understand you correctly you would support a failure of SCM_RIGHTS
> in this case? I'm ok with that but not sure how to implement it right now.
>
> To that end, I would like to simplify this slightly because I'm not convinced
> that SCM_RIGHTS is a problem we need to solve right now. ie I don't know of a
> user who wants to do this.

I don't think we can support it, let alone want to. SCM_RIGHTS was a
mistake made years ago that has been causing bugs and complexity to
try and avoid those bugs ever since. I'm only taking about it
because someone else raised it and I asummed they raised it because
they want it to "work".

> Right now duplication via SCM_RIGHTS could fail if _any_ file pins (and by
> definition leases) exist underneath the "RDMA FD" (or other direct access FD,
> like XDP etc) being duplicated.

Sounds like a fine idea to me.

Cheers,

Dave.
--
Dave Chinner
david@fromorbit.com

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