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SubjectRe: [PATCH v2 net-next 18/22] net: dsa: sja1105: Error out if RGMII delays are requested in DT

On 4/9/2019 5:56 PM, Vladimir Oltean wrote:
> Documentation/devicetree/bindings/net/ethernet.txt is confusing because
> it says what the MAC should not do, but not what it *should* do:
> * "rgmii-rxid" (RGMII with internal RX delay provided by the PHY, the MAC
> should not add an RX delay in this case)
> The gap in semantics is threefold:
> 1. Is it illegal for the MAC to apply the Rx internal delay by itself,
> and simplify the phy_mode (mask off "rgmii-rxid" into "rgmii") before
> passing it to of_phy_connect? The documentation would suggest yes.

I would agree with that statement.

> 1. For "rgmii-rxid", while the situation with the Rx clock skew is more
> or less clear (needs to be added by the PHY), what should the MAC
> driver do about the Tx delays? Is it an implicit wild card for the
> MAC to apply delays in the Tx direction if it can? What if those were
> already added as serpentine PCB traces, how could that be made more
> obvious through DT bindings so that the MAC doesn't attempt to add
> them twice and again potentially break the link?

I would say it can be either the MAC adding the TX delay, or the PCB
traces doing that, in that case you would have to change the property to
"rgmii-id" to account for that. Which is still ambiguous I agree...

> 3. If the interface is a fixed-link and therefore the PHY object is
> fixed (a purely software entity that obviously cannot add clock
> skew), what is the meaning of the above property?

fixed-link really should denote a MAC to MAC connection so if you have
"rgmii-id" on one side, you would expect "rgmii" on the other side
(unless PCB traces account for delays, grrr).

> So an interpretation of the RGMII bindings was chosen that hopefully
> does not contradict their intention but also makes them more applied.
> The SJA1105 driver understands to act upon "rgmii-*id" phy-mode bindings
> if the port is in the PHY role (either explicitly, or if it is a
> fixed-link). Otherwise it always passes the duty of setting up delays to
> the PHY driver.
> The error behavior that this patch adds is required on SJA1105E/T where
> the MAC really cannot apply internal delays. If the other end of the
> fixed-link cannot apply RGMII delays either (this would be specified
> through its own DT bindings), then the situation requires PCB delays.
> For SJA1105P/Q/R/S, this is however hardware supported and the error is
> thus only temporary. I created a stub function pointer for configuring
> delays per-port on RXC and TXC, and will implement it when I have access
> to a board with this hardware setup.
> Meanwhile do not allow the user to select an invalid configuration.
> Signed-off-by: Vladimir Oltean <>

Reviewed-by: Florian Fainelli <>

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