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SubjectRe: [PATCH net-next v3 02/17] zinc: introduce minimal cryptography library
On 13 September 2018 at 16:18, Jason A. Donenfeld <> wrote:
> On Thu, Sep 13, 2018 at 1:45 AM Andy Lutomirski <> wrote:
>> I'm not convinced that there's any real need for *all* crypto
>> algorithms to move into lib/zinc or to move at all. As I see it,
>> there are two classes of crypto algorithms in the kernel:
>> a) Crypto that is used by code that chooses its algorithm statically
>> and wants synchronous operations. These include everything in
>> drivers/char/random.c, but also a bunch of various networking things
>> that are hardcoded and basically everything that uses stack buffers.
>> (This means it includes all the code that I broke when I did
>> VMAP_STACK. Sign.)
> Right, exactly. This is what will wind up using Zinc. I'm working on
> an example usage of this for v4 of the patch submission, which you can
> ogle in a preview here if you're curious:
> 28 insertions, 206 deletions :-D

I must say, that actually looks pretty good.

>> b) Crypto that is used dynamically. This includes dm-crypt
>> (aes-xts-plain64, aes-cbc-essiv, etc), all the ALG_IF interfaces, a
>> lot of IPSEC stuff, possibly KCM, and probably many more. These will
>> get comparatively little benefit from being converted to a zinc-like
>> interface. For some of these cases, it wouldn't make any sense at all
>> to convert them. Certainly the ones that do async hardware crypto
>> using DMA engines will never look at all like zinc, even under the
>> hood.
> Right, this is what the crypto API will continue to be used for.
>> I think that, as a short-term goal, it makes a lot of sense to have
>> implementations of the crypto that *new* kernel code (like Wireguard)
>> wants to use in style (a) that live in /lib, and it obviously makes
>> sense to consolidate their implementations with the crypto/
>> implementations in a timely manner. As a medium-term goal, adding
>> more algorithms as needed for things that could use the simpler APIs
>> (Bluetooth, perhaps) would make sense.
> Agreed 100%. With regards to "consolidate their implementations" --
> I've actually already done this after your urging yesterday, and so
> that will be a part of v4.
>> But I see no reason at all that /lib should ever contain a grab-bag of
>> crypto implementations just for the heck of it. They should have real
>> in-kernel users IMO. And this means that there will probably always
>> be some crypto implementations in crypto/ for things like aes-xts.
> Right, precisely.
> Jason

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