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SubjectRe: [RFC PATCH 0/7] A General Accelerator Framework, WarpDrive
On Fri, Aug 03, 2018 at 03:20:43PM +0100, Alan Cox wrote:
> Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2018 15:20:43 +0100
> From: Alan Cox <gnomes@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>
> To: Jerome Glisse <jglisse@redhat.com>
> CC: "Tian, Kevin" <kevin.tian@intel.com>, Kenneth Lee
> <nek.in.cn@gmail.com>, Hao Fang <fanghao11@huawei.com>, Herbert Xu
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> Ombredanne <pombredanne@nexb.com>, Zaibo Xu <xuzaibo@huawei.com>, Kenneth
> Lee <liguozhu@hisilicon.com>, "David S . Miller" <davem@davemloft.net>,
> Ross Zwisler <ross.zwisler@linux.intel.com>
> Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 0/7] A General Accelerator Framework, WarpDrive
> Organization: Intel Corporation
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>
> > If we are going to have any kind of general purpose accelerator API then
> > > it has to be able to implement things like
> >
> > Why is the existing driver model not good enough ? So you want
> > a device with function X you look into /dev/X (for instance
> > for GPU you look in /dev/dri)
>
> Except when my GPU is in an FPGA in which case it might be somewhere else
> or it's a general purpose accelerator that happens to be usable as a GPU.
> Unusual today in big computer space but you'll find it in
> microcontrollers.
>
> > Each of those device need a userspace driver and thus this
> > user space driver can easily knows where to look. I do not
> > expect that every application will reimplement those drivers
> > but instead use some kind of library that provide a high
> > level API for each of those devices.
>
> Think about it from the user level. You have a pipeline of things you
> wish to execute, you need to get the right accelerator combinations and
> they need to fit together to meet system constraints like number of
> IOMMU ids the accelerator supports, where they are connected.
>
> > Now you have a hierarchy of memory for the CPU (HBM, local
> > node main memory aka you DDR dimm, persistent memory) each
>
> It's not a heirarchy, it's a graph. There's no fundamental reason two
> accelerators can't be close to two different CPU cores but have shared
> HBM that is far from each processor. There are physical reasons it tends
> to look more like a heirarchy today.
>
> > Anyway i think finding devices and finding relation between
> > devices and memory is 2 separate problems and as such should
> > be handled separatly.
>
> At a certain level they are deeply intertwined because you need a common
> API. It's not good if I want a particular accelerator and need to then
> see which API its under on this machine and which interface I have to
> use, and maybe have a mix of FPGA, WarpDrive and Google ASIC interfaces
> all different.
>
> The job of the kernel is to impose some kind of sanity and unity on this
> lot.
>
> All of it in the end comes down to
>
> 'Somehow glue some chunk of memory into my address space and find any
> supporting driver I need'
>

Agree. This is also our intension on WarpDrive. And it looks VFIO is the best
place to fulfill this requirement.

> plus virtualization of the above.
>
> That bit's easy - but making it usable is a different story.
>
> Alan

--
-Kenneth(Hisilicon)

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