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SubjectRe: [PATCH v6 21/21] s390: doc: detailed specifications for AP virtualization

On 07/03/2018 01:52 PM, Cornelia Huck wrote:
> On Tue, 3 Jul 2018 11:22:10 +0200
> Halil Pasic <> wrote:
>> Let me try to invoke the DASD analogy. If one for some reason wants to detach
>> a DASD the procedure to follow seems to be (see
>> the following:
>> 1) Unmount.
>> 2) Offline possibly using safe_offline.
>> 3) Detach.
>> Detaching a disk that is currently doing I/O asks for trouble, so the admin is encouraged
>> to make sure there is no pending I/O.
> I don't think we can use dasd (block devices) as a good analogy for
> every kind of device (for starters, consider network devices).

I did not use it for every kind of device. I used it for AP. I'm
under the impression you find the analogy inappropriate. If, could
you please explain why?

>> In case of AP you can interpret my 'in use' as the queue is not empty. In my understanding
>> unbind is supposed to be hard (I used the word radical). That's why I compared it to pulling
>> a cable. So that's why I ask is there stuff the admin is supposed to do before doing the
>> unbind.
> Are you asking for a kind of 'quiescing' operation? I would hope that
> the crypto drivers already can deal with that via flushing the queue,
> not allowing new requests, or whatever. This is not the block device
> case.

The current implementation of vfio-ap which is a crypto driver too certainly
can not deal 'with that'. Whether the rest of the drivers can, I don't
know. Maybe Tony can tell.

I'm aware of the fact that AP adapters are not block devices. But
as stated above I don't understand what is the big difference regarding
the unbind operation.

> Anyway, this is an administrative issue. If you don't have a clear
> concept which devices are for host usage and which for guest usage, you
> already have problems.

I'm trying to understand the whole solution. I agree, this is an administrative
issue. But the document is trying to address such administrative issues.
> Speaking of administrative issues, is there libvirt support for vfio-ap
> under development? It would be helpful to validate the approach.

I full-heartedly agree. I guess Tony will have to answer this one too.


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