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SubjectRe: [PATCH v3 2/5] efi: Add embedded peripheral firmware support
On Tue 08 May 09:10 PDT 2018, Luis R. Rodriguez wrote:

> On Tue, May 08, 2018 at 03:38:05PM +0000, Luis R. Rodriguez wrote:
> > On Fri, May 04, 2018 at 12:44:37PM -0700, Martijn Coenen wrote:
> > > On Wed, Apr 25, 2018 at 10:55 AM, Luis R. Rodriguez <mcgrof@kernel.org> wrote:
[..]
> > > 2) Most of those paths are not mounted by the time the corresponding
> > > drivers are loaded, because pretty much all Android kernels today are
> > > built without module support, and therefore drivers are loaded well
> > > before the firmware partition is mounted
>
> I've given this some more thought and you can address this with initramfs,
> this is how other Linux distributions are addressing this. One way to
> address this automatically is to scrape the drivers built-in or needed early on
> boot in initamfs and if the driver has a MODULE_FIRMWARE() its respective
> firmware is added to initramfs as well.
>

That could be done, but it would not change the fact that the
/sys/class/firmware is ABI and you may not break it.


And it doesn't change the fact that the ramdisk would have to be over
100mb to facilitate this.

> If you *don't* use initramfs, then yes you can obviously run into issues
> where your firmware may not be accessible if the driver is somehow loaded
> early.
>

This is still a problem that lacks a solution.

> > > 3) I think we use _FALLBACK because doing this with uevents is just
> > > the easiest thing to do; our init code has a firmware helper that
> > > deals with this and searches the paths that we care about
> > >
> > > 2) will change at some point, because Android is moving towards a
> > > model where device-specific peripheral drivers will be loaded as
> > > modules, and since those modules would likely come from the same
> > > partition as the firmware, it's possible that the direct load would
> > > succeed (depending on whether the custom path is configured there or
> > > not). But I don't think we can rely on the direct loader even in those
> > > cases, unless we could configure it with multiple custom paths.
>
> Using initramfs will help, but because of the custom path needs -- you're
> right, we don't have anything for that yet, its also a bit unclear if
> something nice and clean can be drawn up for it. So perhaps dealing with
> the fallback mechanism is the way to go for this for sure, since we already
> have support for it.
>
> Just keep in mind that the fallback mechanism costs you about ~13436 bytes.
>

Remember that putting the firmware in the ramdisk would cost about
10000x (yes, ten thousand times) more ram.

> So, if someone comes up with a clean interface for custom paths I'd love
> to consider it to avoid those 13436 bytes.
>

Combined with a way of synchronizing this with the availability of the
firmware, this would be a nice thing!

Regards,
Bjorn

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