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SubjectRe: *alloc API changes
On 05/07/2018 01:27 PM, Kees Cook wrote:
> On Mon, May 7, 2018 at 1:19 PM, Matthew Wilcox <> wrote:
>> On Mon, May 07, 2018 at 09:03:54AM -0700, Kees Cook wrote:
>>> On Mon, May 7, 2018 at 4:39 AM, Matthew Wilcox <> wrote:
>>>> On Fri, May 04, 2018 at 09:24:56PM -0700, Kees Cook wrote:
>>>>> On Fri, May 4, 2018 at 8:46 PM, Matthew Wilcox <> wrote:
>>>>> The only fear I have with the saturating helpers is that we'll end up
>>>>> using them in places that don't recognize SIZE_MAX. Like, say:
>>>>> size = mul(a, b) + 1;
>>>>> then *poof* size == 0. Now, I'd hope that code would use add(mul(a,
>>>>> b), 1), but still... it makes me nervous.
>>>> That's reasonable. So let's add:
>>>> (there's a presumably somewhat obsolete CONFIG_FORCE_MAX_ZONEORDER on some
>>>> architectures which allows people to configure MAX_ORDER all the way up
>>>> to 64. That config option needs to go away, or at least be limited to
>>>> a much lower value).
>>>> On x86, that's 4k << 11 = 8MB. On PPC, that might be 64k << 9 == 32MB.
>>>> Those values should be relatively immune to further arithmetic causing
>>>> an additional overflow.
>>> But we can do larger than 8MB allocations with vmalloc, can't we?
>> Yes. And today with kvmalloc. However, I proposed to Linus that
>> kvmalloc() shouldn't allow it -- we should have kvmalloc_large() which
>> would, but kvmalloc wouldn't. He liked that idea, so I'm going with it.
> How would we handle size calculations for _large?
>> There are very, very few places which should need kvmalloc_large.
>> That's one million 8-byte pointers. If you need more than that inside
>> the kernel, you're doing something really damn weird and should do
>> something that looks obviously different.
> I'm CCing John since I remember long ago running into problems loading
> the AppArmor DFA with kmalloc and switching it to kvmalloc. John, how
> large can the DFAs for AppArmor get? Would an 8MB limit be a problem?

theoretically yes, and I have done tests with policy larger than that,
but in practice I have never seen it. The largest I have seen in
practice is about 1.5MB. The policy container that wraps the dfa,
could be larger if if its wrapping multiple policy sets (think
pre-loading policy for multiple containers in one go), but we don't do
that currently and there is no requirement for that to be handled with
a single allocation.

We have some improvements coming that will reduce our policy size, and
enable it so that we can split some of the larger dfas into multiple
allocations so I really don't expect this will be a problem.

If it becomes an issue we know the size of the allocation needed and
can just have a condition that calls vmalloc_large when needed.

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