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SubjectRe: [PATCH 10/17] prmem: documentation
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> On Oct 31, 2018, at 1:38 PM, Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net> wrote:
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>>> On Oct 31, 2018, at 3:11 AM, Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org> wrote:
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>>> On Wed, Oct 31, 2018 at 12:15:46AM +0200, Igor Stoppa wrote:
>>> On 30/10/2018 23:02, Andy Lutomirski wrote:
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>>>> But I dislike allowing regular writes in the protected region. We
>>>> really only need four write primitives:
>>>>
>>>> 1. Just write one value. Call at any time (except NMI).
>>>>
>>>> 2. Just copy some bytes. Same as (1) but any number of bytes.
>>>>
>>>> 3,4: Same as 1 and 2 but must be called inside a special rare write
>>>> region. This is purely an optimization.
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>>> Atomic? RCU?
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>> RCU can be done, that's not really a problem. Atomics otoh are a
>> problem. Having pointers makes them just work.
>>
>> Andy; I understand your reason for not wanting them, but I really don't
>> want to duplicate everything. Is there something we can do with static
>> analysis to make you more comfortable with the pointer thing?
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> I’m sure we could do something with static analysis, but I think seeing a real use case where all this fanciness makes sense would be good.
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> And I don’t know if s390 *can* have an efficient implementation that uses pointers. OTOH they have all kinds of magic stuff, so who knows?

Also, if we’re using a hypervisor, then there are a couple ways it could be done:

1. VMFUNC. Pointers work fine. This is stronger than any amount of CR3 trickery because it can’t be defeated by page table attacks.

2. A hypercall to do the write. No pointers.

Basically, I think that if we can get away without writable pointers, we get more flexibility and less need for fancy static analysis. If we do need pointers, then so be it.
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